I Don’t Do Sunday School

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“I don’t do Sunday School.”

It was a bold and perhaps foolish statement to offer while interviewing for the job of Children’s Pastor.

For more than 200 years, an undeniable force shaping children’s ministry has been the overarching metaphor of School. In her book Children Matter (2005), Scottie May observes that whether we are aware or not, in our ministries “metaphors tend to shape everything that is done.” Despite its wide acceptance, there are good reasons to challenge the status of the prevailing School metaphor, including a 70% drop out rate from church attendance among young people after they graduate (Lifeway Research, 2007).

Eight years after my job interview, with more than 15 years experience in Children’s ministry, I still stand by my original statement – I don’t do Sunday School. I do, however, recognize that such a position may warrant an explanation.

Why I don’t do Sunday School:

  1. School seeks to educate. I want kids to know about God, and, of course, Christian Education is a good thing. However, it is not the only thing. What I really desire is for kids to know God. As long as School is the primary metaphor in which we serve, the ultimate measure of our success will be gauged by our head knowledge. School asks “what do you know?” I desire the question to be “Who do you know?”
  2. School is divided into teachers and students. Teachers, in many situations, function as the de facto expert in the room. This creates a relational distance between teachers and students. The good news in Jesus is that God has come to be with us. Any model we adopt for children’s ministry needs to reflect the same relational practice of being with. My hope is that the Holy Spirit moves freely to teach in and amongst all our faith family members. We are all sojourners, learning from and supporting one another regardless or age, stage, or qualification.
  3. School produces graduates. The school metaphor conveys subtly, yet powerfully, that we are expected to finish our learning about God at graduation. In many churches, the end comes even sooner, with classes going no further than Grade 7. In either case, the notion communicated is that our faith begins, forms, and finishes on some predetermined time-line. My prayer is that all would become lifelong followers of Jesus. I envision a community wherein we encounter God in a manner that grows our faith to take the next step. And the step after that. And after that.
  4. School measures success. Pass or fail. School seeks to assess learning and evaluate learners. In a culture that constantly reminds kids that they are winners or losers, in or out, cool or geeky, athletic or not – the church of Jesus should be the one place where a child escapes this kind of binary grading. Jesus speaks a new name to us – Beloved. I beseech church leaders everywhere to be ruthless in ending the schoolyard system of division that is built upon the measures of this world. Instead, let our children know the joy of being chosen, blessed, loved, redeemed, holy, beloved of God. There is no score card for such gifts of grace.

If not school, then what?

As in many typical Children’s Programs, on any given Sunday morning you will witness us worship, pray, dialogue, play, wonder, discover, retell, connect, sing, eat, and create. To do so, however, outside the realm of a School metaphor is a truly bold experiment. Exploring what might replace the School legacy in our children’s ministries, and to harness effectively the power of a new  metaphor for this generation is exciting and humbling work. Will this new metaphor be a Journey? A Farm? A Dance? I don’t know, but we are following through on some of our ideas, and I am encouraged so far by what I see. What I do know is this is an experiment worth conducting, for the work is important, and the results are eternally significant. Perhaps you are ready to experiment too. I would be the first to encourage you to take a risk. As for me, I know that whatever I am doing on Sunday, it won’t be School.

Carmen Kinniburgh

District Children’s Ministry Partner

Children’s ministry involves developing leaders, discipling children and families, exercising creativity, with an emphasis on fun and building relationships that help others to experience God’s love as they are loved by people who know God’s love. Carmen has served in children’s ministries as a volunteer, coordinator, curriculum writer, camp speaker, and pastor. Her desire in ministry and life is to help others (whether they be children, youth, or adults) to hear God’s voice and to experience the freedom and fullness of love found in knowing Jesus and living kingdom lives. Whether your children’s ministry is led by volunteers or a pastoral leader, Carmen would love to connect, build networks, support, resource, pray with, and provide care in whatever areas are needed.

Carmen lives in Vernon with her husband, Jeremy, and their two teenage kids. She loves playing soccer, hiking, camping, and theatre. She and Jeremy have founded two new ministries called Threshold Initiatives and Contributing Pastor.

Terry Ann Opperman

Official Worker

David has served at Lakewood Alliance Church since the fall of 2002, first as an associate, then as Lead Pastor starting in November 2005. David has been on various committees including DEXCOM, District Nominating Committee, a few General Assembly Committees, and the Rules Committee for District Conference. David has an interest in church governance and seeing healthy leaders serving on healthy boards in order to better equip and serve the church.

David and Tara are in the process of launching their three young adult sons and enjoy seeing the trajectories their lives are taking. David enjoys woodwork and getting out cross-country skiing in the winter.

Steve Schneider

Lay Person

Steve is a layperson and a member of Peace Portal Alliance Church in Surrey. He has been married to his wife Brenda since 1984. They have two adult daughters. He is an engineer by background and holds an MBA from Heriot-Watt University. He works in the paper industry and is also the President of SGS Consulting Ltd. He has recently become a licensed worker in the CPD.

Steve has served in varied ways over the years but has more recently been focussed on church board work. He served on his first church board 36 years ago. Since that time, he has served on four different church boards and the District Executive Committee of the CPD. Over the last 12 years Steve has actively been teaching and consulting with church and not-for-profit boards within and outside of The Alliance Canada to help them develop healthy governance practices.

Keith Cheung

English Lead Pastor at Burnaby Alliance Church

Keith was also an active member at Westside Calgary Chinese Alliance Church before moving to Vancouver to begin full-time pastoral ministry. After a brief stint pastoring in a church from another denomination, Keith began serving as the English Lead Pastor at Burnaby Alliance Church in 2017 where he continues to serve today.

Keith is married to Cecelia (20 years this year!) and they are raising 2 beautiful daughters (11 and 6) who they adopted from Taiwan and Korea respectively. He loves, in no particular order, cooking and eating and conversations, the Saskatchewan Roughriders, road cycling, family reunions, and good movies and music.

Carol Goh

District Chaplains Committee Chair

carol@mycac.ca

Carol Goh has chaired the District Chaplains Committee and served on the Association for Alliance Chaplains (AAC) National Committee since 2018. She completed her Masters degree in Chaplaincy in Spiritual Care from Trinity Western Seminary and is the Neighborhood Chaplain and Pastor for Seniors at Chilliwack Alliance. As a chaplain, Carol invests in the neighborhood (parish) around the church through connecting with those who live, work, and go to school there. She intentionally supports the local public elementary school and other local organizations so that together they can weave together the fabric of care for the inhabitants. The Goh household includes her husband Andrew, their three teenage sons, Andrew’s mother, and their golden doodle.

David Driedger

Board Leadership Training Partner

dave@lakewoodalliance.com

David has served at Lakewood Alliance Church since the fall of 2002, first as an associate, then as Lead Pastor starting in November 2005. David has been on various committees including DEXCOM, District Nominating Committee, a few General Assembly Committees, and the Rules Committee for District Conference. David has an interest in church governance and seeing healthy leaders serving on healthy boards in order to better equip and serve the church.

David and Tara are in the process of launching their three young adult sons and enjoy seeing the trajectories their lives are taking. David enjoys woodwork and getting out cross-country skiing in the winter.

Daren Wride

Transitional Pastors Network Coordinator

dwride@shaw.ca

Daren Wride has been serving in transitional roles since 2011. He has been on the ground as Transitional Pastor in multiple churches around the province and has engaged as a Transitional Coach with several other churches. Prior to his transitional work, Daren pastored three churches in Alberta and BC for a total of nearly 20 years. Daren has also spent time in the professional speaking and internet marketing worlds and usually has a related project on the go.

Geoff Stewart

District Youth Ministry Partner

geoffs@peaceportalalliance.com

Youth ministry is among the most demanding ministries in the church from a relational standpoint, serving young people who are defining the ever changing culture we live in. Leading in youth ministry is best not done alone, and Geoff desires to help our youth pastors serve and encourage one another through the sharing of resources, wisdom, experience, and perspective. In the ever-changing world of today’s high school student, it is vital for us as youth pastors to be changing with them to understand the world they are navigating and share with them the life changing truth of the Gospel.

Geoff has been a youth pastor for 6 years at Peace Portal Alliance Church and volunteered for 10 years before that in the same church. He is passionate about seeing young people transformed by Jesus and becoming leaders in their school and community. He and his wife Lavonne live in South Surrey with their cats Norman and Puff Daddy.

Andy Lambkin

Team Lead - Property Development & Nest Housing Society

andy.lambkin@gmail.com

Andy wears two hats in the Canadian Pacific District. He serves as our New Venture implementer, helping new communities of faith emerge across our province, and he also leads the Nest housing Society, a non-profit affordable housing society working with local churches to utilize their land for social good while fulfilling critical ministry priorities. If you have questions about either of these areas, please reach out.

Personally, Andy is married to Jolie and they have four kids. Residing in North Vancouver, they call simplechurches, a network of house churches, their church home.

Carmen Kinniburgh

District Children’s Ministry Partner

jckinnib@telus.net

Children’s ministry involves developing leaders, discipling children and families, exercising creativity, with an emphasis on fun and building relationships that help others to experience God’s love as they are loved by people who know God’s love. Carmen has served in children’s ministries as a volunteer, coordinator, curriculum writer, camp speaker, and pastor. Her desire in ministry and life is to help others (whether they be children, youth, or adults) to hear God’s voice and to experience the freedom and fullness of love found in knowing Jesus and living kingdom lives. Whether your children’s ministry is led by volunteers or a pastoral leader, Carmen would love to connect, build networks, support, resource, pray with, and provide care in whatever areas are needed.

Carmen lives in Vernon with her husband, Jeremy, and their two teenage kids. She loves playing soccer, hiking, camping, and theatre. She and Jeremy have founded two new ministries called Threshold Initiatives and Contributing Pastor.